The embarrassing side of the right wing
Just paid a visit to Kiwiblog, as usual littered between the excellent posts we have to put up with the people who visit it.
The latest bunch of comments that lowered the level of debate were the ones surrounding the McDonalds free Wifi situation, where some "gay" sites were filtered while other offensive sites were not. I am sure that McDonalds themselves were suprised with the publicity and didn't deliberately block gay sites.
What was not surprising that some people, people that call themselves right wing freedom lovers, the same people who visit Kiwiblog every day supporting equal rights, a free market and anti Nanny State were dishing out some very smallminded, anti freedom comments that were very embarrassing for other right wingers.
1)Remember the queer meme – society must accept them and their perverted lifestyles and practices, and heaven help anyone who challenges the ‘accepted wisdom’, whereas they can use all the smears and false accusations they like against those they consider antagonistic to their ‘values’ and choices.
If this is a deliberate policy by MacDonald’s to keep access to what they consider perverted websites off their Wi-Fi service, then good on them. They need to be encouraged and congratulated!
2)Well, the homo friendly news media kept one of their precious interest groups front & center with this banal “news” item.
3)After all the commotion I went to look at the Gaynz website homepage. I think McDonald’s got it right. I wouldn’t want my kids seeing this when they go for a treat for takeaways. I don’t want to see it. I find it offensive. And I find it offensive that I have to agree that a whole bunch of homosexual behaviour is normal, and that I’m some sort of social leper for disagreeing.
4)Who cares what the sick homosexual community thinks about anything.
5) I have a message to the gay community. Don’t go to Mcdonalds. Problem solved
6) I’m only intolerant of the intolerable – and both the queer agenda and the queer lifestyle I find intolerable.
All political parties have their bad sides and these christian bigots are the dark murky side of the right. They cannot stand up and denounce the policies of Helen Clark and her infamous Nanny State and then tell people what they can or cannot do in their own private bedrooms.
They cannot go on about the restrictive laws that Muslims force on their own people and yet want to control peoples personal relationships and a womens right to choose to have a baby or not.
By saying that, the undoubtably left wing gays who complained about this should STFU and realise that playing the victim is only going to encourage the hatred and stupidity from people like Dad4justice and Kris K who are only too happy to spread their vile and oppressive hatred on Kiwiblog.
The right are so much better than this. Supporting freedom is unconditional. The sheer ignorance of basing your beliefs on a book that discounts science in favour of creationism and choice in favour of 'God knows best' is the enemy of freedom and should be kept well away from politics.
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The latest bunch of comments that lowered the level of debate were the ones surrounding the McDonalds free Wifi situation, where some "gay" sites were filtered while other offensive sites were not. I am sure that McDonalds themselves were suprised with the publicity and didn't deliberately block gay sites.
What was not surprising that some people, people that call themselves right wing freedom lovers, the same people who visit Kiwiblog every day supporting equal rights, a free market and anti Nanny State were dishing out some very smallminded, anti freedom comments that were very embarrassing for other right wingers.
1)Remember the queer meme – society must accept them and their perverted lifestyles and practices, and heaven help anyone who challenges the ‘accepted wisdom’, whereas they can use all the smears and false accusations they like against those they consider antagonistic to their ‘values’ and choices.
If this is a deliberate policy by MacDonald’s to keep access to what they consider perverted websites off their Wi-Fi service, then good on them. They need to be encouraged and congratulated!
2)Well, the homo friendly news media kept one of their precious interest groups front & center with this banal “news” item.
3)After all the commotion I went to look at the Gaynz website homepage. I think McDonald’s got it right. I wouldn’t want my kids seeing this when they go for a treat for takeaways. I don’t want to see it. I find it offensive. And I find it offensive that I have to agree that a whole bunch of homosexual behaviour is normal, and that I’m some sort of social leper for disagreeing.
4)Who cares what the sick homosexual community thinks about anything.
5) I have a message to the gay community. Don’t go to Mcdonalds. Problem solved
6) I’m only intolerant of the intolerable – and both the queer agenda and the queer lifestyle I find intolerable.
All political parties have their bad sides and these christian bigots are the dark murky side of the right. They cannot stand up and denounce the policies of Helen Clark and her infamous Nanny State and then tell people what they can or cannot do in their own private bedrooms.
They cannot go on about the restrictive laws that Muslims force on their own people and yet want to control peoples personal relationships and a womens right to choose to have a baby or not.
By saying that, the undoubtably left wing gays who complained about this should STFU and realise that playing the victim is only going to encourage the hatred and stupidity from people like Dad4justice and Kris K who are only too happy to spread their vile and oppressive hatred on Kiwiblog.
The right are so much better than this. Supporting freedom is unconditional. The sheer ignorance of basing your beliefs on a book that discounts science in favour of creationism and choice in favour of 'God knows best' is the enemy of freedom and should be kept well away from politics.
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Labels: equality, kiwiblog, Mcdonalds, Nanny State
posted by Clint H at
Thursday, January 13, 2011
31 Comments:
My take is that The rights of the property owner and service provider, McD's, are being trampled by yet another special interest group.
McD's should harden up and tell them to sod off. Once you start paying Danegeld...
"They cannot stand up and denounce the policies of Helen Clark and her infamous Nanny State and then tell people what they can or cannot do in their own private bedrooms."
Very, very few righties are doing that. What most of us object to is having militant homosexuals demanding special treatment, and ignoring property rights in order to get it.
Like it or not,homosexuality is aberrant behaviour and most parents would prefer that their kids weren't taught otherwise.
And as Oswald says, for somebody supposedly in favour of liberty, you seem to show very little concern for the right of McDonalds to do as they please with their own property.
I maybe wasn't clear on McDonalds position on this as it wasn't relevant as they are caught in the middle. They could put anything they like online for people to view, it wouldn't bother me if they chose to have Helen Clarks image projected onto their walls and their internet homepage going to the Green Party. I 100% agree, it's their business.
I'm talking about the smugness of some types who get their beliefs from a book that once closely investigated becomes a series of unproven tales of morality.
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Be embarrassed all you want Clint, but stop posturing as right wing. You aren't even half way there. You are Progressives who have through your political confusion and lack of understanding of what is important, handed NZ to the left.
To see you writing such a column is extremely annoying.
You are not right wing. You are lame drinkers of the Progressive kool ade, and you need to go away and join the Labour party, thereby killing two birds with one stone- you can bring a bit of economic sense to them, and stop undermining the efforts of right wingers with your lame addiction to Progressive social issues.
Hannah, too late to delete your comment. You say to me that this was not logical, based on me apparently saying that these idiots shouldn’t say this stuff – when you have proven you cannot read.
I support the right to free speech, but these fools should give up the pretence that they support freedom for the individual as they most certainly not.
Christians are the worst offenders when it comes to free speech as well. Every time somebody even challenges their beliefs they flood places like Kiwiblog pouring scorn on those who are not believers. And to think these people are the first to get upset about growing Islamic fundamentalism… what utter hypocrites.
With all due respect Red, you talk an awful lot about free expression and freedom of the individual on your blog a lot. How can that fit into your belief that not all people are equal? Either you support individual freedom or you don’t. It’s simple.
When you start pulling out people that you feel are undesirable because of your religious beliefs, you are not acting right wing, you’re being fundamentalist.
Freedom is a simple concept. I don’t veer off the track at all. No matter what colour, belief, sexual orientation etc a person is, they are equal. That has nothing to do with left wing values, who emphasis the differences in order to exploit them.
So Red, are all people equal or not? Simple question.
Clint, that you are so fixated on a concept such as "equality" is just another sign that you are a kool ade drinker.
Equality has nothing to do with it. It is entirely a leftist concept.
Leaving people alone it what it is about. MacDonald's own their stores and they are free to do as they wish.
Your sympathy for the homosexual cause is entirely misguided. ( I say this assuming you are not homosexual) Homosexuals all over the globe are the enemies of freedom of expression and are having people jailed in the UK and Canada for what they call "hate speech". As demonstrated in the MacDonald's case, they have no regard whatsoever for the concept of private property, a fundamental principle of the right, and the cornerstone of liberty. They discriminate against Christians and heterosexuals everywhere, even attacking their church services.
Just leave people alone Clint. When you are ready to voluntarily give Christians and their private property the same amount of respect that you command others to give to collectivist homosexuals, then you might be close to getting it. I don't think you ever will.
That is why I think it would be best for all concerned if you just joined Labour and straightened it up economically, and took most of National with you, and then we could have a genuine competition of ideas between the Progressives and the Conservatives.
We cannot make progress against the left when we have our own forces so split by people like you, who allow themselves to be manipulated because they just do not get it.
"When you start pulling out people that you feel are undesirable because of your religious beliefs,"
Its you who is doing that Clint, with your intolerance for Christians.
I don’t know why I bother Redbaiter. I spell it out and yet you ignore it. I never said I thought McDonalds should change their policies on internet use. I even went further and said I would support them if they were expressly promoting left wing idiocy – all in the name of free speech. Why don’t you get this?
You nailed it later by saying “ leaving people alone is what it’s all about”. That is the precise point. And yet you and your fundamentalist mates are hellbent on name calling and demeaning fellow humans for legal, consensual activities that they do behind closed doors.
I am not homosexual. But not all gays are enemies of freedom. I know of many gay people within the ACT, National and Libertarian parties that are very pro freedom and do not use their sexuality to try and tell others what to say and do. Socialists and PC liberals exploit this into hate speech – and they are the enemy. But yet again I also said in my post that they should STFU and not be so precious about this non issue, as it is a private property matter. Funny that on Kiwiblog there were quotes from gays who said that they agreed with this being a stupid non issue and for other gays to shut up about it. How can every single homosexual be your enemy?
You tell me to leave people alone and yet you and your mates hate some people. Christian values are to love one another and show people the same courtesy that you’d expect shown to yourself. Fundamentalist Christians are exactly the same as fundamentalist Muslims. The majority of Christians allow private citizens to do what they like behind closed doors, while fundamentalists from both religions are openly repressive. I consider it a big insult to Christians that they are all seen as anti gay when only a minority of them are.
And what nonsense that I haven’t given Christians and their private property respect! Do I go into their houses and judge them for praying in their own house? No.
You are closer to Labour as you are making sexuality an issue, just like Helen and Labour did. Most people don’t care about it, but just like your Labour comrades, you’re turning their private activities into a very public thing.
I don’t know how I can make it any more simple for you. You’re an intelligent lad, so why can’t you get it? Leave the gays alone. You get all pissy about me attacking your Christian faith and yet they have the same right to practice their beliefs as you do.
EXACTLY the same right as you do.
I hardly think McDonalds are in a position to moralise given the rubbish they serve up pity they aren't as concerned about paying their staff a decent wage, mind you they're handing out Mac Degrees and describing their dead end, low paid jobs as 'careers' these days so they're obviously deluded, still at least we are lucky in the UK in that we don't have any parties that can be described as remotely 'right wing', the nearest we have is Ukip (more or less an 'I'm not racist but' extension of the Tories with even more contempt for the unemployed and low paid, if that's possible)
So are you saying Religion and Politics shouldn't mix? That censorship is a bit of a quagmire? That all people actually are 'equal'? Techically every human being on this planet is equal but equality can be viewed in different ways, you can't over simplify such big subjects, as for homosexuality, It's not my bag but If two people of the same sex are in a serious relationship, good luck to them, I don't believe in gay bashing but I don't believe in an anything goes' mentality, I'm possibly onside with 'Civil Partnerships' but as for the Elton John/David Furnish rent a kid saga, come off it, I am sure they are decent enough people, I am sure their relationship is solid but I strongly disagree with same sex couples being 'parents' purely because it is a physical impossibility (mind you, Science may one day change all that). Censorship and that's what this ultimately boils down to is a big subject, basically someone has to make the rules people live by, therein lies the paradox.
Latest news from the Freedom loving homosexual movement-
The Dire Straits song Money For Nothing, a staple of classic-rock radio and music-video oldies shows, has been ruled as too offensive for the airways, two and a half decades after its original release.
The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has found that the word “faggot” in the lyrics breaches the council’s code of ethics. The decision is in response to a complaint against radio station OZ FM in Newfoundland for broadcasting the song last February.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/gay-slur-in-lyrics-disqualifies-dire-straits-hit-from-canadian-radio-play/article1868052/
Hey Mr S, well we know that politics and religion go hand in hand, I see Blair went Catholic right after he left parliament.
I have christian and gay friends. They are equally happy for the other to exist without infringing on their individual rights. The issue I have isn't what McDonalds chooses to allow people to view on their private Wifi - as I agree with their policy, it's as I said before - PC lefties getting precious over bullshit "censorship" and smug moralistic hypocrite christians who think their way is the only way and then pretend to support individual freedom.
Red isn't a bad fulla and you might like his blog too. But believing that god controls your destiny goes against a libertarian ideology, just as the whole "pick n mix" of what people are equal in society and who are, as Red thinks of them, subhuman.
"what people are equal in society"
More left wing cant. You have to get this pre-occupation with equality out of your head Clint. It has been put there by the left.
Turning every social issue into some kind of test involving "equality" is just infantile Progressive nonsense.
Clint, why the hell do you bother with Redbaiter?
He is a proven liar, will not debate an issue and when cornered, resorts to mindless abuse.
Just ban the prick and be done with it.
I agree Bruv, other righties too have mentioned it's not worth chatting to those who base their beliefs on makebelieve. Can't ban the guy unless I change the programme I use here :) But in all seriousness, you always need to balance it out here - fundys on one side and the normal folks on the other :)
Yep, you're leftists alright, banning righties because they dare to disagree with you. And what do you need the Big Fag here for Clint? Look at the worthless shit he's written above. Contradicted himself three times in three sentences. Who needs to read such brain dead crap from a bloody low IQ gossiping old talk back addicted cab driver for Chrissakes? Get some real talent, you don't need this place looking like a Panda Sports flame session.
This story could open up a debate about censorship, some public computers block certain sites, we are getting into realms of what is and what is not acceptable and who decides, Clint maintains he believes in individual freedom, presumably freedom of choice, but as I said: Someone has to make rules and laws in any society, my personal take is that is none of anyones business what I do, say, think, feel, what I read, eat, wear, watch on TV or listen to as long as it doesn't hurt another human being, I've watched plently of 18 cert action movies but never chopped anyone to bits or gone on a killing spree, likewise I know homosexuality exists and you know what? So what? It's no big news, we hear from a certain section that 'poofters' are sickos and deserve to be shot and we hear they are ill and need to be cured, I think they have as much right to practice their sexuality as hetrosexuals and we don't need McDonalds telling ANYONE what to do.
If it was possible for me to agree with you more than 100% then I would!
If McDonalds wanted to ban it then it's their choice. What the case was in the end that McD's just set up the wifi and didn't knowingly ban "GayNZ", so unfortunately for redbaiter it wasn't a ban on immoral activity, it was just an oversight. :)
You are bang on, it's all commonsense. I am not going to grow a moustache just because I watch Magnum PI, hahaha.
I am watching the football transfers at the moment, as usual nothing too interesting yet!
As for politics and religion, Blair would join the Hare Krishnas if the price was right.
It's probably difficult to be a leader of a country and to say you believe in freedom of religious expression while showing support for a particular religion without alienating others.
This is still a majority protestant country, religion isn't a big thing in the west and it amuses me when the W.A.S.P mentality comes out, You have to admit Muslim national leaders can galvanise people in a way that would be impossible in western 'democracies' as for Tony Blair, put it this way He was no JFK. If he waited until Presbyterian Gordon replaced him to convert, you have to question his motives, if Tony Blair told me it was 2011, I would ask someone else for a second opinion.
So maybe the NZ gay community should boycott McDonalds. Or ask for an explanation why that site was blocked, now that would be interesting.
Football transfers? Beckham to play? He's still in great shape and Harry Redknapp is a wily old fox, I remember Allan Simonsen playing for Charlton but get this: Sheffield United nearly bought Maradona in 1978, they were relegated that year, I lived in Sheffield as a student and I heard the board wouldn't cough up the readies, did they miss out or what?
RE: The Dire Straits ban, Mark Knopfler wasn't being homophobic when he sung that that line he was being ironic.
We in the west live in a so called 'democratic' society yet we are told what to do, monitored by CCTV, increasingly more people have their DNA stored, Employers 'advise' us on our lifestyles outside the workplace, I.D cards will come in, alcohol is now sold in units, we are forced to accept multiculturalism, told that so called minorities are victims, we are having our wages frozen or cut, being sacked for being ill, being quizzed by nosey parkers about every aspect of our private lives and the people that govern us are corrupt.
The last bit of my rant sums up my basic opinion of the vast majority of politicians.
In a truly equal society, there would be no need for censorship, who dictates what is and what is not acceptable?
I might be going off topic and if so, apologies but I abhor censorship, if people say to me 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', I counter with a) I don't vote for the main parties b) I abstain c) I didn't vote for this lot, you did, you got what you voted for and worse.
If ANYONE is going to moralise to me or tell me how to live my life, I expect them to be beyond perfect so if any employer/politician/fast food outlet is really concerned about me to the point of being so judgemental, bring it on, but be holier than thou at your expense.
If God exists, he doesn't fiddle his expenses or pay kids 6 quid per hour to ask if I want fries with that.
While I'm here, I don't mind Dire Straits (I even went to see them about 20 years ago) but if you're going to ban anyone from the radio I'm surprised Queen haven't been banned yet (I'm being sarcastic, I have all their albums and think that their 1974 to 1978 stuff is TRUE Classic Rock)....after all, we all know what their name means.
Of course the hilarious part about Russell Fletcher's latest post is that on his own low rent blog he bans anybody who does not agree with his religious fundamentalist view of the world.
Na Mr S, feel free to go off topic mate! I'm not used to having so many comments on the blog I agree with! Meet Big Bruv by the way, used to write for the blog too.
Was a big fan of Dire Straits too. Annoying the PC pressure (in Canada) has affected one of their songs! Actually, I think they toured NZ 20 yrs ago too.. that brings back memories.
The thing is, re McD's.. the original article had quotes from a couple gays saying that the "outrage" was a little precious and that this was a non issue. No doubt you'll have a few militants protesting but it's a private property issue.
Maradona for Sheffield United? Wow. I think that would have been very interesting. I see Blackburn are trying to emulate this by trying to sign Ronaldinho.. not going to happen!
Bruv... is that his real name??
Who cares if that's his real name, apart from leftoid trolls who try to flood sites they don't agree with, using vile lies and verbal filth?
'Bruv' is simply miffed that some conservative sites don't allow him to do what he does elsewhere, which is to drag discussions off-topic, insult and denigrate people who up to that point were holding a civil discussion and to troll under various aliases.
Scum is scum, and 'Bruv'is an exemplar of the breed.
Clint, yes that is his real name.
KG
The fact that I get under your skin makes me happy, as for your site (you call it conservative, I call it a meeting place for right wing religious and racist nutters)not allowing me....I could not give a toss.
What does get me though is the way internet tough guys like you and Russell Fletcher abuse all and sundry then piss and moan about it when you are on the receiving end.
If there is one thing I detest more than the hard left it is the religious right, the same god botherers who seek to control my life.
Under my skin? Not at all. I regard you with contempt, is all.
Me and Redbaiter have no problem with somebody disagreeing with us--what I have a problem with is people like you who join a commnent thread n places like No Minister merely in order to lie, slander and insult commenters who were up until then engaged in relatively polite disagreement. As always, the effect is to shut down meaningful debate and leave the field to the scumbags. Which is, of course the intention.
The reason you and your ilk are banned from CR is that we have no wish to mud-wrestle with pigs.There are plenty of disagreements among our commenters, but absent leftist juvenile shit they usually manage to keep those disagreements civil.
Nowhere on my site have I ever argued in favour of religious beliefs being able or entitled to trump liberty. So that's simply another distortion, something you're very good at.
What sticks in your throat is the fact that we regard you and your kind with utter contempt, and that we know exactly what you are, your pathetic buzzword such as "racism" and "religious nutters" notwithstanding.
I know shit when I smell it--and you talk little else.
You and Redbaiter are a couple of morons who have a greatly inflated opinion of yourselves.
Despite the claims you make, both you and Russell refuse to debate any issue with those who happen to disagree, Sarah Palin being a classic example.
You claim (an outright lie) that you have never "argued in favour of religious beliefs being able or entitled to trump liberty" yet a weekly look at your site would show this to be untrue.
Most of your regular commentators (all six of them) are religious fanatics whose idea of liberty is the entire world being forced to live by the rules of the "good book".
The real reason you ban people is because your arguments do not hold water, you are afraid of being shown up, in true left wing fashion you silence those who disagree with you.
But....it is good to know that I get under your skin.
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