Gee I wonder
I had to laugh a little bit at the faux outrage from the blog NZ Conservative about who the Kiwi ringleaders could be in the big paedophile bust this week.
For a blog that is so openly catholic to now be all upset about the awful crime of kiddy fiddling is a joke. Plenty of perverts in the catholic church - I'd be willing to wager some of these perverts are part of one of our organised religious movements in NZ.
Lucia Marie, the author of the post is hardly the type of mild mannered christian you'd want to live next door to. If you have the misfortune to read their blog get ready to see her frothing at the mouth over the mention of equal rights to all citizens. For people that apparently are for free enterprise and freedom of choice and expression, ask them how they feel about gay people. You either support freedom for all or you don't. That's why these sorts of people would love the idea of a religious state like Iran, but run by christians, able to administer death penalties to those who don't conform to their narrow-minded moralistic codes.
Don't get me wrong, they have the freedom to believe whatever they like and say whatever they choose. But as long as they insist that they are also part of the VWRC* then it is insulting to all right wingers. Ordinary christians too should be pissed that their beliefs are being misappropriated like this.
Graham Capill is the closest people like NZ Conservative have got to getting one of their own into Parliament. Just like Lucia and her co bloggers, he too was an angry religious nut bar and look what he was into. It would be a tragedy for the right wing for any of us to call them true Capitalists... a better name for them is Capiltalists.
*Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
(update) Get out the popcorn... the comments on this are hilarious...I mentioned above about their closeted frothing... and I got it!
For a blog that is so openly catholic to now be all upset about the awful crime of kiddy fiddling is a joke. Plenty of perverts in the catholic church - I'd be willing to wager some of these perverts are part of one of our organised religious movements in NZ.
Lucia Marie, the author of the post is hardly the type of mild mannered christian you'd want to live next door to. If you have the misfortune to read their blog get ready to see her frothing at the mouth over the mention of equal rights to all citizens. For people that apparently are for free enterprise and freedom of choice and expression, ask them how they feel about gay people. You either support freedom for all or you don't. That's why these sorts of people would love the idea of a religious state like Iran, but run by christians, able to administer death penalties to those who don't conform to their narrow-minded moralistic codes.
Don't get me wrong, they have the freedom to believe whatever they like and say whatever they choose. But as long as they insist that they are also part of the VWRC* then it is insulting to all right wingers. Ordinary christians too should be pissed that their beliefs are being misappropriated like this.
Graham Capill is the closest people like NZ Conservative have got to getting one of their own into Parliament. Just like Lucia and her co bloggers, he too was an angry religious nut bar and look what he was into. It would be a tragedy for the right wing for any of us to call them true Capitalists... a better name for them is Capiltalists.
*Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
(update) Get out the popcorn... the comments on this are hilarious...I mentioned above about their closeted frothing... and I got it!
Labels: fundamentalists, mad christians
posted by Clint H at
Saturday, March 19, 2011
32 Comments:
"That's why these sorts of people would love the idea of a religious state like Iran, but run by christians, able to administer death penalties to those who don't conform to their narrow-minded moralistic codes."
That statement is an utter lie, and so is your assertion about Capill. The dirtbag Capill has been disavowed by the NZ Christian community.
That's why you Progressives remain in contempt Clint. Just like all other leftists, you have no regard for truth, and you have no principles. You are just cultural Marxists drinking the kool-ade of moral relativism in great big gulps just like every other leftist.
Go join the Labour Party. This post is just cowardice and smears, and something that is so damaging to your integrity, you are no help to any right wing force.
Stop the posturing. Until you subscribe to truth as a principle, you are weak and despicable and a Progressive.
Have you ever thought about the concept of honour?
Are you excommunicating them from the VRWC? :-P
On that score, its amusing how Heine, who talks like a leftist, and thinks like a leftist, and constantly uses the language of leftists, (equality) and smears like a leftist, and lies like a leftist, and has the values of a leftist, and the mental concepts of a leftist, is so frequently asserting himself to be a member of "the VRWC".
Its like he desperately needs to do it to assure himself against some ever lingering self doubt.
BTW, I'm not a right winger, or part of any vast imagined conspiracy of any political persuasion.
I'm simply a Conservative, and I don't say that to reassure myself, I say it to help you with your political perceptions.
Do you Blair as a relatively new face on this blog, consider that truth is important, and smears and lies are damaging to the dialogue? Or does it all depend on the target?
I wouldn't want to be seen to be endorsing a post such as the above. Anyone with any skerrick of honour and self respect would disavow it.
Reply.
I love how Redbaiter takes a completely neutral comment, and then starts poking me in the chest with it.
I won't bite. Sorry Red.
I don't have a dog in this fight. But I do enjoy a good blogwar.
*grabs pack of Jaffas*
"You either support freedom for all or you don't."
Has to be about the most idiotically simplistic line in the whole post--a post which is no more than smears and ill-founded assumptions.
Speaking from first-hand knowledge I can state that the people you just smeared would make damn fine neighbours by any measure.
Unlike cowards such as you, Heine.
Clint said: For a blog that is so openly catholic to now be all upset about the awful crime of kiddy fiddling is a joke.
Could you take me through the logic of that statement Clint? I'd be really interested to see how you get there.
Plenty of perverts in...New Zealand. Oh dear, according to your logic, all New Zelanders are perverts. Plenty of children beaten to death in New Zealand. Oh dear, according to your logic, all New Zelanders condone child abuse.
As for your assumptions (incorrect ones at that) seems I have to set straight your mythconceptions:
1. No, I do not want homosexuality made illegal.
2. No, do not want sodomy made illegal.
3. No, I do not want to establish a religious State.
4. Not too keen on the State having the power to sentence people to death, especially for political crimes or thought crimes, but I could be swayed for the cases of multiple offenders of violent crimes and for child abusers.
5. I don't insist I'm part of the VRWC, unless I'm making a joke.
6. I never voted for Graham Capill's party and never would have. Their politics are far to different to mine.
7. I don't support Capill on any way whatsover. ANY people guilty of such crimes deserve the maximum penalty under law.
So basically, you are talking bullshit.
Blair, see how easy it is to get them frothing at the mouth when I point out the errors of their ways?
Their blog talks about capitalism but yet a fundamental part of capitalism is equality. Note that through all the swearing and pent up anger from their replies which proved my initial point right - not one stood up and said they accepted homosexuals as equal citizens.
Mild mannered next door neighbour Lucia Marie did call them pederasts and said ALL sex outside marriage will lead people straight to hell. Thanks for proving me right, although it seems the mere mention of Mr Capill does get the Capitalists all into a rather delicious lather.
Not a blog war Blair, they have all proved what most people already thought of them - closed minded bigots. No wonder their numbers are thinning around the country - I just needed the trigger to have it all online for others to see!
Cute Zen. I said in the church, no NZ.
"a fundamental part of capitalism is equality."
You're a fundamental fucking idiot.
Keep it coming Captain Capiltalist.
Clint, you appear to have no idea what you said.
You also appear not to be able to read the 7 simple points I laid out for you. That puts the rubbish you spouted in your post at odds with your imagined points.
I don't quite see how you think you've proven anything.
And now you are going on about what Capitalism, and what you imagine I think about it. Have you actually read any of my blog posts?
But lets get back to your post.
Clint said: For a blog that is so openly catholic to now be all upset about the awful crime of kiddy fiddling is a joke.
Could you take me through the logic of that statement Clint? I'd be really interested to see how you get there.
Catholics also have an extreme view on how women are treated equally. It's all sounding very Taliban to me! Catholics touching kids, oppressing others... Zen, you are in great company. Just because the froth coming out of your mouth isn't as runny as your mates doesn't make it any more reasonable.
Not much hope is there Zen?
Just remember, you're seeing the core of the ACT party on display here.
Ha, good try Redbaiter. My own points of view have nothing to do with any party. Unless you're saying I can equate your lack of respect and bigotry to all christians out there.
Thankfully most christians out there are not as stupid or closeminded as you or your Capilltalist friends over at NZ Conservative.
Keep on mass-turbating Red. You fell into my trap and look like a fool.
Zen - your list means nothing. But love it that as soon as you didn't get an answer that you scurried back to your blog to have a cry about it.
None of your list of statements actually addressed my point - which means you are trying to change the subject. Do you or do you not discriminate against gay people?
Do you support the catholic cult against rights for women?
Your other points are moot.
Zen did help a fairy who takes a very keen interest in the young build a new website which I found a bit surprising.
And it must be tough for genuine honest Catholics to reconcile their belief and respect for the clergy with the decade long debacle that has been the story about paedo priests in every catholic diocese on earth, not to mention the attempts by the Vatican to squash reports, cover it up and blame everybody else but their own corrupt degenerate organisation. So I should ease off on Zen and Lucia Clint. It is tough enough being a Catholic without attacks from you.
Zen - your list means nothing.
Clint, My list was responding to the other points you made, beside the gay thing.
But love it that as soon as you didn't get an answer that you scurried back to your blog to have a cry about it.
I just like cataloging bits and pieces on my blog, just in case you become despondent over blogging and delete everything.
None of your list of statements actually addressed my point - which means you are trying to change the subject.
No, I addressed the other points in your post.
Do you or do you not discriminate against gay people?
I do not discriminate against gay people, and I'll answer that properly on the post you've just done above this post.
Do you support the catholic cult against rights for women?
I don't even understand what you mean by that.
Your other points are moot.
I predict the points I made above will come in handy on your next post above.
Appreciate your comment BB - I'd debate you over some of the substance, but that's not so important today, so thanks.
"I love how Redbaiter takes a completely neutral comment,"
Gosh Blair, with your vacuous moral ambiguity you're going to be right at home on this blog.
Is this an example of a neutral comment?
Graham Capill is the closest people like NZ Conservative have got to getting one of their own into Parliament.
No, not even close and I resent the link. The closest might have been Gordon Copeland or Bill English, both Catholics.
Just like Lucia and her co bloggers, he too was an angry religious nut bar and look what he was into.
Sorry, we are not angry, and not nut bars. And then the implication that we might be kiddie fiddlers?
Ordinary christians too should be pissed that their beliefs are being misappropriated like this.
Actually, they might get a bit pissed off that YOU are misappropriating our beliefs in the way you are doing.
It would be a tragedy for the right wing for any of us to call them true Capitalists... a better name for them is Capiltalists.
And who exactly is frothing? Or do you define "frothing" as anyone who defends themselves from being called a kiddie fiddler or being accused of endorsing kiddie fiddlers? So I should just say nothing then?
Gosh Blair, with your vacuous moral ambiguity you're going to be right at home on this blog.
There's a vast difference between being morally ambiguous, and holding one's own views, but not giving enough of a shit about the debate to enter into it.
And you should lay off the personal attacks, they do you no credit.
"And you should lay off the personal attacks, they do you no credit."
Are you serious? After everything your buddy said your reprimanding ME for personal attacks? Go fuck yourself you moron.
I didn't write the post, nor are the opinions expressed my opinions. So swearing at me is going to get you nowhere. (Swearing at anyone will probably get you nowhere, in fact)
You seem to have a lot of anger, but misplace it when you direct it at me in this instance.
Your gutless mate smears people as pedophiles and you don't expect them to be angry?
What would you expect? Smiles and forelock tugging gratitude?
Get a grip you dumbarse, your moral compass must be about as fucked as one can get.
And don't get too excited about the anger yet moron, there's a lot left in reserve.
BB - yep. catholics around the planet who are well aware of the abuses committed by their own have cast a blind eye over it for decades. Awful people.
Redbaiter - if there ever was a person who is so far in the closet as you sound like you are - then you have won first prize. To think that you consider yourself as a moral compass is hilarious. You're like a cheap, budget version of Glenn Beck.
Blair, my co-blogger is a christian. Is he a sinner too because he doesn't believe that gays and pre marital sex consigns people to hell?
What would you expect? Smiles and forelock tugging gratitude?
I expect you to focus your energy on Clint, not me, as he is the author of the post.
I also think you should be a bit more polite, since this is not your blog and you are a guest here. Has it ever occurred to you that you might do your argument a lot more credit without the blue language and personal vitriol?
Blair, my co-blogger is a christian. Is he a sinner too because he doesn't believe that gays and pre marital sex consigns people to hell?
I am definitely a sinner, but not for those beliefs, no.
Blair, doesn't it make you wonder why RussellBaiter and the others are so quick to start going on the rampage when challenged? Are their christian sensibilities that fragile?
I wonder if I continue to peel the layers away what else I might discover.
I'll be praying for you Clint, that you'll one day understand that the reasons Christians believe homosexuality is immoral, and say so, has nothing to do with hate...
We live to serve, even those who malign us...
Well that's a bit patronising. If you are going to pray for Clint, just do it. Otherwise you just come across as passive aggressive, and rather give lie to the idea that it has "nothing to do with hate".
I dare you to pray for Clint, because I bet you won't. You were just trying to sound morally superior. And you failed.
I think a lot of Christians love to bang on about homosexuality because having sex with another man is one of the few sins they've never been remotely tempted to commit. They're on safe ground to be judgmental. It's something they'll never be caught doing themselves (well... in most cases anyway).
I am far more concerned at rooting out sin in my own life than what certain men do with each other in private. You should be too.
I wasn't patronising Clint or attempting to sound morally superior, just making a point that Christian belief on the issue isn't driven by hate and stated an intention which I did follow up on...
As for the rest of your post - nothing but supposition and then you (hilariously) patronise me and claim moral superiority in our struggle with sin...
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